Alistair Begg isn’t nuts about some contemporary worship music.

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  2. Music, what do we use it for?
    To make others feel good? NO!
    To draw people in to the church? NO!
    To bring glory to God? YES!
    To worship the Lord? YES!
    Music in church should be totally about worship. If it for any other reason, it doesn’t belong. Not that you can’t listen to popular christian music, it’s just that most of it doesn’t belong in church. The purpose of music in church is for worship, not to repeat the same phrase over and over. It should tell God, why we love him, why we worship him, what he have done that we are so greatful for and so on. It should not sound so much like a love song, that if not for naming Jesus, you would thing it was about your girlfriend. And don’t think all songs in the hymal are safe. All worship music sghould be biblical, and stand up to scripture. It should be taken in context.
    God bless you,

    • says:

      “The purpose of music in church is for worship, not to repeat the same phrase over and over.”

      You might want to alert the creatures in heaven, because it seems they repeat the same phrase over and over.

      The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:

      “Holy, holy, holy,
      Lord God Almighty,
      Who was and is and is to come!”

      • Robby says:

        Thank you theophilus166 for injecting the common sense of scripture into this legalistic mindset!

      • ReformedMama says:

        Amen, theophilus166! I was thinking the same thing!

      • Jenai Goss says:

        Notice the four living creatures explicitly say -why- God is almighty (He is Holy, and he was and is to come). When Jesus entered Jerusalem they shouted “Hosanna to the son of David!” – Again explicit praise (Jesus as savior and messiah).

        Many CWM songs contain little or no explicit praise. Hallelujah is not explicit praise (It just means ‘praise Yahweh’). Ironically some songs follow the formula “Look how we praise you, I’m gonna praise you, Hallelujah” – an empty and vague repetition that not only fails to ever praise God, but it actually praises the -self- in commending ourselves for praising God, or asking God to praise us for promising (but not really) praising Him. To compound the matter, many times the praise of the band is extolled far more than the few praises of God that may be sprinkled in. [Come hear this great band! They are really on fire!] I have seen many announcements, facebook pages, and posters for bands that sung the praises of the band – but failed to mention Christ or God even once, let alone say why God was great.

        Ironically, that verse is used to justify many vain repetitions in songs, while the songs themselves are always musically changing to keep people “from being bored” or “to change things up”.

        I don’t recall there being a verse about the living creatures changing tune every five stanzas to keep from falling asleep. Rev 4:8 is a very abused verse taken out of context to support people serving themselves rather than seeking to truly honor God. ‘Meditation’ in scripture is awake and mindful, analyzing something and turning it over to God until we are guarded with His peace- it is not the CWM form of meditation which does the opposite and numbs the mind and overwhelms the senses.

        There are many fine CWM songs that are quite beautiful (the theologically accurate ones that detail the praises of God and tell of his greatness in times of trial or blessing, etc). In general though, the genre has been infected by selfishness and pride, and prizes ‘personal experience’ more than seeking God’s will. (Plus the often sloppy theology and personal viewpoints send up a lot of red flags).

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  4. kevin says:

    First we are not angelic beings we are the redeemed, angels were created to be repetitive but we were created not to blast the same message constantly that’s why in Matthew 6 it tell us not to be repetitive. Angels are repetitive because they haven’t got much of a story to tell if any at all they have a function but no redemptive story. We have. The repetitiveness of contemporary didn’t come from God it was molded from secular music, we know this because every song on the radio is drafted the same way. Contemporary music isn’t leadership from the scriptures, its just kids with too much moose following record label genres. To say anything thing else is incredible dishonest.

    • Keith says:

      Matthew 6 does NOT tell us “not to be repetitive.” It says, “do not use vain repetitions.” There is repetition, and there is vain repetition. What makes it vain? Jesus gives us the context: “For they think that they will be heard for their many words.” And the context of the whole passage is pride and hypocrisy.
      If repetition comes out of pride, hypocrisy, or trying to impress God or people, by all means it is wrong. But only God knows the motive; that is not for us to judge.
      But if every line is sung from a surrendered heart in pure worship, it is not vain even if it is repetitive.
      Like Psalm 136. Is that vain repetition? That one’s sung by people, not angels.

      • Jenai Goss says:

        Psalm 136 is not vain repetition, as it explicity says WHY God’s love endures forever. It has a movement of thought (general thanks for God’s being and goodness, thanks for God’s blessings to us, thanks for God’s mighty acts of judgement on our personal behalf and His deliverance, thanks for God’s guidance, thanks for God’s general acts of judgement, thanks for God’s thought of us, thanks for God’s mindfulness of us, thanks for God’s provision, and finally back to thanks for God’s being and greatness) If you took out all the between verses and just repeated “God’s Love Endures forever” 20 times, it would become a vain repetition for most people. At the least, it would be doubtful that most could muster specific examples for each 20 times, though they might feel the general ‘feeling’ of thankfulness more keenly.

        Vain repetition is -any- repetition that is done not for meditation (in the biblical sense of mindful examination) but for the sake of repeating the form, especially when done as a ritual or with the motive to catch God’s eye. Humans don’t actually pay more attention the third time around, they pay less attention to the words. However, the -experience- of the singer/listener hightens. Its +feelings -mind. Knowledge and interpretation decrease, involvement increases. Many CWM songs repeat vague and empty phrases. (20 hallelujahs? Hallelujah only really gains its meaning when it is combined with -actual- praise. “Look how we praise you?” That praises self, it doesn’t actually praise God.

        The jewish rabbis thought that certain prayers were more powerful in gaining God’s blessing/etc so they would repeat them often. More importantly, vain repetition was common in the pagan world (1 Kings 18:26, Acts 19:24)

        If you saw the words in a book repeated over and over “Oh God! O Lord, O Lord, O Lord, O Lord, O Lord! O Living, O Immortal! O Living, O Immortal! O Living, O Immortal! O Living, O Immortal! O Creator of the Heavens and the Earth!” etc, would this be an excellent example of worship or a vain repetition? [Hint: It actually was written by a muslim (Tipu Sultan) to Allah].

        The pagans would use repetition itself as a way to worship their gods, the Hindus thought that repeating the name of a god would consume sin, etc.

        Repetition to be ‘heard for one’s many words’ is very different from meditating on a verse or characteristic of God such as in Psalm 77:6. Biblical meditation is a diligent searching that allows the spirit to guide and make connections. It is not repeating “peace, peace”, but rather giving over ones anxieties and considering God’s care and provision until fear has been replaced by rest in God’s presence, and the peace of God now guard’s one’s heart. Endless repetition and invocation do not bring God’s eye or blessing, rather we approach the Father through Christ to petition, supplicate, and worship Him.

        What is a surrendered heart of worship? To surrender is to give oneself up, to lose all rights of oneself, and to place oneself into the keeping of someone else. It is not a “Feeling”, it is an action! (A continual action, as rebellion seeks to escape the authority and dominion of God). What is worship? It is to ascribe someone the honor and praise that is their due, and to act accordingly.

        If one praises self (or a band) more than God – that is not worship. If one seeks personal experience/seeks their own comfort, that is not surrender. If one rarely speaks of repentance or personal change or the acts of God, but frequently sings of “being close” with God – they might be deluding themselves. To get closer is to actually change our hearts as we draw near to God and the light of Christ transforms our lives. Paul and Silas sang praises while in prison – they did not demand that music be conformed to their own personal tastes and that a hip band lead them. Jesus commanded that we go out into the world and preach and to be set apart and holy – not that we attempt to pull people in with cool songs that sound like the world.

        While there are many wonderful CWM songs, there are many that are vague or vain or repetitive, and the motive is often very poor. [I went to a worship workshop once at a local church and the importance of serving/worshiping God (or why) was not mentioned even once! The entire thing was on syncopated beats and changing it up and avoiding any possible way the congregation might get distracted or bored. In similar manner another church had to change their worship style to ‘stay relevant to the youth’ – not because they found some new songs that worshiped God and wanted to add them to the list. Instead they -have- to include modern with older, or change up the older].

        In fact, I have yet to visit or sing with one group that deliberately incorporated CWM that did so with a right heart and motive. In every case it was for the sake of the congregation, or for personal tastes, and things like “How should we worship God?” or even “What is worship?” were secondary or not considered at all.

      • bamared2222 says:

        Good comment. Today’s church is all about self. What I want from God, what I need from God, how God can enrich me, how God can make me happy. Where is the worship? Where is humility and a broken spirit? Where is service to God and not God to serve us? The Bible says that we are to put HIM first and everything else will fall into place.

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  6. kevin says:

    I was replying to a comment where I said “The repetitiveness of contemporary didn’t come from God it was molded from secular music” Which is true, they didn’t get that from any biblical mandate but are following our present genre. The comment was that what the seraphim’s do around the throne of God is actually where we got the receptiveness on modern music when everyone knows that just isn’t true.

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  8. I know I am in good company when I am in agreement with Alistair Beag.

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